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7 hours ago, IIJackoII said:

Do you think this is my first early access? well .... NO. I have backed a couple games on kickstarter (Hell Let Loose was the last one) and I can say that this (WW3) is one of the slowest in terms of development and updates. 


A year has passed, the map rotation is still to come in the next patch ... That's something BASIC in ANY FPS game, but here we have this "feature" ONE YEAR AFTER the launch ...... And don't get me wrong, I paid for this game and I want to play it.

One thing is PLAYING an Early Access with bugs, glitches, etc I can live with that because I know that the Earlys Access are meant for that .....But the thing IS that there is nobody playing this game, and this IS for the lack of updates. Not to mention the harsh launch with the servers.

That's the way I see all this.

In one big point I must agree a lot: the map rotation. 

 

To bring player back there must be another free weekend after the release of the 0.7 update, and when a server benchmark has been done. That means it's important to check if the servers can handle 60 players with different pings properly...

 

After that, a free weekend is a must.

 

About updates: people voted for slower updates. Has been several month ago. Proper and slow bugfixing instead of releasing on broken update after another in short terms... So, that they concentrate on bugfixing. And after testing and checking the PTEs, I must say they are doing a great job, even if people don't see it (because no content etc...). A lot of bugs and problems has been solved. And it is a big improvent now since the release of 0.6 live. Much much better. Well, not to say that the live 0.7 is what a EA title should be. And I don't want to say it, but several people are right. Has been to early for a release last year.... But now, with the 0.7, a good restart of the game is possible. And it's now good playable (because of the new added map rotation).

 

But for more, read all the news and announcments of F51 and you see what their major object is.

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I love the game but NA servers are empty I used to be able to handle EU servers lag but it got worse a lot worse. Besides lack of players it would be I can’t find a gun i really like to use.

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They kept adjusting stuff like TTK, recoil, gunplay for no reason. The core game was good at launch. Gun feel was great.

Horrible process to making changes to the game. .3 had a big hitreg issue that artificially increased the TTK. There was not a baseline to make a scientific decision for the changes they made going into .4. Seems like they adjust things just for the sake of it.

Kept making dumb little changes that no one or 99% of the player base did not ask for to solve non issues which just created issues.

Really wanted a non casual BF game since dice would not make it, WW3 at launch was less casual messy but had a good core gunplay.


They are pretty bad at knowing what to focus on. Vehicles should be a big part of the game, they are not bad but lack depth and the enjoyment they could have. But the core vic gameplay has been ignored while the fun gunplay was adjust over and over till it was a disaster.

Along with this they just did a 180 on what the games was about going into some random ass direction not explained before launch or what we expected from the videos and marketing from this supposed BF killer.


Fully agree with @Fullback strike spam was a Issue, I personally didnt deal with a lot of helis cus I GTFOd from the game around that time but they were cancer. I just come back to see if they reverted to the good WW3 which was pre .4

Also like to add that they still haven't fixed the biggest issue since .1 gut shots.

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2 часа назад, TZoningHard сказал:

Also like to add that they still haven't fixed the biggest issue since .1 gut shots.

Well, actually, gutshots are fixed even in live version. Was testing it with the guy that made the linked theme. He's a little mistaken with his drawings but nevertheless, Armor plate now ends ~5cm lower than waist belt. Now lethal are not the gutshots but almost literally "balls"shots.

I'll repeat: it is actual for both Live and PTE versions. 

 

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Good read, we're basically in line with most issues you guys point out to us, so I think once 1.0 hits you'll be happy. I know some features and bugs have been in the game for a long time, but this has reasons: mostly queuing of the work. If we jump between tasks, this makes the whole process less efficient overall, so there are basically two ways we can go about updating the game:

1. Jump on anything that is the problem at this moment and waste a lot of time, possibly moving the 1.0 release date 6 months back, but having more people during the development. This sounds like a good idea on paper, but we have to take into account the fact, that more and more games will be coming out and someone could just make something similar to WW3 in the meantime. Other thing is that making games is *expensive*. In general, the word in the industry is, that on average you have to spend around $10k per developer per month. That's salary, hardware, software, licensing, building costs like electricity bills, air conditioning, rent etc. This is of course a lot lower for Poland, where we're located, so let's say that's 1/4th of that, $2,5k per month per developer.

We've got around 60 people working on WW3 right now, that's $150k per month, so moving release date by 6 months is around $900k. Those are of course massively skewed calculations and are in no way real (I don't have the data even if I could share it). This means that possible after launch support relies more heavily on the day one sales and makes the whole thing less stable, since costs are going up.

2. We're going according to plan and fixing stuff in bulk - so when we have animation problems like looking through walls and overall movement clunkiness, instead of patching and fixing it constantly, we know we're going to replace the whole thing in the future, so we're leaving it as is for now. This means the game is broken longer in some areas, but also gives us more time to polish it up and make sure the optimization at the end of the production won't suffer. It also means more money for advertising and possibly hiring more people to work on the game.

As you can see, it's not just the case of us 'not fixing old bugs', it's a very difficult balance to strike. I'm not saying we're doing it perfectly, by any means, but there are reasons for this.

Hope this clears some things up, @me if you have any questions :)

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On 10/6/2019 at 12:52 PM, IIJackoII said:

Do you think this is my first early access? well .... NO. I have backed a couple games on kickstarter (Hell Let Loose was the last one) and I can say that this (WW3) is one of the slowest in terms of development and updates. 


A year has passed, the map rotation is still to come in the next patch ... That's something BASIC in ANY FPS game, but here we have this "feature" ONE YEAR AFTER the launch ...... And don't get me wrong, I paid for this game and I want to play it.

One thing is PLAYING an Early Access with bugs, glitches, etc I can live with that because I know that the Earlys Access are meant for that .....But the thing IS that there is nobody playing this game, and this IS for the lack of updates. Not to mention the harsh launch with the servers.

That's the way I see all this.

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Map rotation is in, just so everyone knows :P

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9 hours ago, Ragir said:

Map rotation is in, just so everyone knows :P

Except when you're snagged by the Infinite Loading screen, then it becomes old business as usual. 😛

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For me it was the huge performance drop in 0.7.

I'm was doing fine in 0.6, medium graphic setting, was getting 45-80 fps no problem. With 0.7 even if I set EVERYTHING to Low I have 25-45 fps on average. That was the "Ok, I'm done" moment for me. Sad, I'm with the game from the very first day, playing almost everyday. 

 

Waiting for the next patch, finders crossed.

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2 minuty temu, MOBBOB napisał:

@MilesTeg you should turn on gpu buffering iif don't have it on it helps a ton 

Thx, it is, but It adds a little bit of input lag :) 

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For me its mostly NA population, and I dont want to play on EU with 150+++ ping

 

Will wait for release right now, as Im tired of logging in to find empty servers.

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For me the NA servers are literally dead. Consistently zero people playing in NA/SA, I have played server matches on EU servers, love this game and find it extremely fun, but playing with 180+ ping is rather painful. Also the fact that playing on other regions sucks, simply because my progression is not the same, and tbh I feel like if this was remove that people would stop complaining about a "dead game."

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13 hours ago, Veles said:

Also the fact that playing on other regions sucks, simply because my progression is not the same, and tbh I feel like if this was remove that people would stop complaining about a "dead game."

We're planning on merging regions together before 1.0. If we can't do it by then, it'll happen a bit later, but it will happen for sure.

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RAGIR -----NA servers are TOTALLY DEAD ! none players , I mean nobody play this game anymore in NA !!

when we play  " sometimes " in  EU servers , Or we just loose connection or PING are terrible , just unplayable the Online experience it's terrible , the game went from " good " to BAD in total, very disappointing , - progression in regions are different  WDH ! . Period.

You guys cant fix it anymore , with every patch something brakes.

We STOP playing.

  Just less than 100 players at times " US fans" plays it......" at times" .

NA have other games in EA  that have better performance than this !! .

This EA game your Project it's BROKEN, the game. it's gonna arrive to release all broke , forgotten and empty.

It Was..... but.... is not more.

The Battlefield killer was just a JOKE !  empty promise and bad projection in total .

My TEAM and I , We are very disappointed as customers and as players, we just got  tired of bad implementations. bad design and bad global projection in total.

FARM 51 need to do something OR RIP.

My Team and I tried to support this EA game as much we could, but the game went to the garbage !!!  Down the drain !! :(

The 2 fiscal year Next Battlefield gonna be here , BY BY WW3 Dream !!

Very disappointing .

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On 11/10/2019 at 11:21 AM, HALCON4 said:

progression in regions are different  WDH ! . Period.

That's what I said we're planning to change :P

On 11/10/2019 at 11:21 AM, HALCON4 said:

This EA game your Project it's BROKEN, the game. it's gonna arrive to release all broke , forgotten and empty.

It's still being made, still being fixed up, we've just upped the peorformance and we're finishing up a new gamemode.

On 11/10/2019 at 11:21 AM, HALCON4 said:

The Battlefield killer was just a JOKE !  empty promise and bad projection in total .

We've never said WW3 was a BF killer, that's what the community came up with.

On 11/10/2019 at 11:21 AM, HALCON4 said:

My Team and I tried to support this EA game as much we could, but the game went to the garbage !!!  Down the drain !!

If you have a specific problem with the game other than player count and performance, please specify - those two thing will be better for 1.0, which is the main reason for the whole Early Access release - to make the 1.0 version as good as possible.

On 11/10/2019 at 11:21 AM, HALCON4 said:

The 2 fiscal year Next Battlefield gonna be here , BY BY WW3 Dream !!

Next Battlefield was confirmed to be released no earlier than April 2021, so it's a non-concern for us at this time.

Thank you for the long support, I know you've been playing since the beginning and I realize that there's not been massive updates lately, but that's because the engine change took more time than aticipated. We've just pushed 0.7.2 patch and we will continue to update the game and make it better. I'll be happy to welcome you and your team back when you think the game is good enough :)

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@Ragir the problem is the population, whats the point of loggin in if their is no one to play? Whats the point of supporting if we dont see you support your own game with great publicity, great streaming, Dev Streams etc?

I was a good defender of WW3, cause it has potential however, we felt left down with the patch who killed the community which took you more than a week to fix, everyone was crashing, laggin with the ammo bug and go on.

Dont tell me to go play on EU, I dont feel like playing with 160ping and more, and even EU population isnt that great, and it doesnt fit our primetime at all.

We adressed stuff that was necessary for the game, and it was in 0.1, you push some in 0.7

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With the release of modern warfare I feel like there are less people playing on an afternoon. And I get why people do it, I play MW more than WW3 right now, too. Mainly because teamwork feels really weird and most SL's don't even know about VC or that they can even mark objectives, most of the time they don't even know they are SL.

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I stopped playing around 0.3 when the players were invisible and when the "out of bounds" in the uncap areas didn't work.   There were many things that influenced my decicion to stop playing like, RPG spam, camping spawn areas with armor, hit detection (or lack there of), sniping shotguns, etc.  The BIGGEST thing was the BS responses by Farm51 to not punish people glitching under/into the ground/walls.

I had hope for this game but Farm 51 stumbled at every step, especially the launch.  Only if they listened to the community then.

Edit:  I do keep an eye on the forums to see if things are changing, but the more I keep reading the less I like the direction the game has gone.

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9 hours ago, MFC_Plowing said:

The BIGGEST thing was the BS responses by Farm51 to not punish people glitching under/into the ground/walls.

Well I've personally banned around 20-30 people for glitching and we've fixed them since then :P

RPG spam is reduced, camping spawns is reduced (you have a 'mercy spawn' and the mobile spawnpoint), hit detection is a lot better, shotguns seem to be OP in TDM only, though they will be further balanced.

Try it and then see, reading forums gives you the wrong idea, because people don't complain about stuff that's good, only things that annoy them :P

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